Saturday, November18, 2017

Marine Weather and Tides
Harbor Springs, MI

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Sunrise 7:43AMSunset 5:02PM Saturday November 18, 2017 3:11 AM EST (08:11 UTC) Moonrise 7:34AMMoonset 5:43PM Illumination 0% Phase: New Moon; Moon at 29 days in cycle
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Marine Forecasts
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LMZ342 Norwood Mi To 5nm West Of Mackinac Bridge Including Little Traverse Bay- 1002 Pm Est Fri Nov 17 2017
.small craft advisory in effect through Sunday evening...
Overnight..South wind 5 to 10 knots with gusts to around 20 knots becoming north early in the morning. Rain showers. Waves 2 to 3 feet.
Saturday..North wind 15 to 25 knots with gusts to around 30 knots. Chance of showers. Waves 4 to 7 feet.
Saturday night..North wind 15 to 25 knots with gusts to around 35 knots. Chance of drizzle and snow showers. Waves 4 to 7 feet.
Sunday..Northwest wind 10 to 20 knots with gusts to around 30 knots. Chance of snow showers. Waves 4 to 6 feet. SEe the open lakes forecast for days 3 through 5.
LMZ342 Expires:201711181115;;572933 FZUS53 KAPX 180302 NSHAPX Nearshore Marine Forecast National Weather Service Gaylord MI 1002 PM EST Fri Nov 17 2017 For waters within five nautical miles of shore on Lakes Huron... Michigan and Superior LMZ342-181115-

7 Day Forecast for Marine Location Near Harbor Springs, MI
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Area Discussion for - Gaylord, MI
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national weather service gaylord mi
1237 am est Sat nov 18 2017

Issued at 937 pm est Fri nov 17 2017
00z apx observed sounding tells quite the tale. A prominent warm
nose is present aloft (7c or 44f at 840mb... Note that glr has
reached 44f just once this month, but it's that warm directly
above our heads right now). Sounding slips below freezing below
910mb, but climbs back to right around freezing at the surface.

End result was some icing on elevated surfaces around sounding
time, but little on paved surfaces. Since then, surface temps have
warmed by about a degree, enough to remove a freezing precip
threat in this area.

Meanwhile, a wintry mix continues in central and northern chip co
(away from the warming marine influence of lake huron in se
sections of the county). This is at the northern tip of the warm
nose aloft. Ob sites are just above freezing, with reports of
rain snow sleet from spotters, and some icy spots. Surface warm
advection should tend to alleviate ice concerns as the night

In addition, waves of convection to our south have shown some
lightning strikes from time to time over southern lake mi and
southern lower mi. Expect lightning to remain south of us-10, but
am keeping an eye on southern sections (and especially gladwin
arenac cos) for possible need of a thunder mention.

Otherwise, earlier flavor of the forecast is fine. Should see
precip coverage dwindle somewhat after midnight from W to E as
some mid-level drying and a surface cold front arrive.

Update issued at 623 pm est Fri nov 17 2017
quick update to grids hwo, and an sps has been issued, for
potential period of brief freezing rain in N central lower. Ob at
glr as precip gets underway is 33 27, favorable for wet bulbing
just below 32f before better warm advection gets going at the
surface. Arrival of darkness and loss of diurnal heating will
aid potential for fzra. Do not expect this potential to persist
for too long before warmer air (such as it is) wins out.

Near term (tonight through Saturday)
issued at 351 pm est Fri nov 17 2017

Mostly rain but perhaps a little snow...

models continue to struggle with the details of the incoming storm
system set to move in tonight into Saturday. The problem appears to
be that competing areas of energy moving through the flow don't
allow for a singular deepening system (at least until its off to our

Tonight... The main area of precipitation is still set to swing
through late this afternoon into the first half of tonight. Looking
at model soundings cross sections this should be mainly in the form
of rain across northern lower with all reporting stations finally
above freezing (though can not totally rule out wet bulbing down to
freezing again leading to a brief period of freezing rain).

Meanwhile across eastern upper, a mix with or even a period of snow
is likely with an inch or two of wet snow accumulation possible. Qpf
from the rain should average about a half inch.

Saturday... Models are all over the place on the details with the
ecmwf now joining the drier NAM model. Meanwhile the GFS and to a
lesser extent the canadian model bring a period of decent
precipitation across at least northern lower from mid morning until
early afternoon. Will side with the drier solution. Any
precipitation should start mainly in the form of rain... But cooler
air just ahead of the trailing drier air subsidence could change the
rain over to a period of snow around noon time (especially over the
higher terrain). Still don't anticipate any major snow accumulations
which should remain under an inch. Be cognizant of the potential for
icy spots to develop as temperatures slowly fall toward the freezing
mark during the afternoon.

Short term (Saturday night through Monday)
issued at 351 pm est Fri nov 17 2017

Slick travel potential Saturday night...

high impact weather potential: gusty winds Saturday
afternoon night. Potential for flash freezing on area roads late
Saturday afternoon night as wet roads from Saturday rain may freeze
up as temperatures fall Saturday evening. Potential for
drizzle freezing drizzle late Saturday night early Sunday morning.

Pattern forecast: progressive pattern remains through next week.

Low pressure will continue to lift through SE mi Saturday night with
high pressure following quickly behind. Broad high pressure spanning
from the plains into southern canada will be flattened a bit by
quick moving shortwave, which will help to bring in a brief shot of
cold air and give some assistance to lake effect development behind
the departing low. The cold intrusion will be short lived, as the
ridge axis from the western high folds into the region, beginning
warm advection early Monday morning. This ridging will remain in
place through the short term, with the next clipper in line over nw

Primary forecast concerns challenges: timing for further rain to
snow transitions overnight. Possibility of drizzle freezing
drizzle as synoptic moisture strips out Saturday Sunday, before
lake effect starts. Gusty winds continue Sunday.

Precipitation will continue Saturday day on the NW side of the
departing low pressure. Temperature profiles remain right on the
edge for snow vs. Rain, but will likely be snow across the majority
of the forecast area. Winds will remain gusty into Sunday evening,
as the pressure gradient relaxes a bit with the high pressure moving
in. A quick moving clipper along the northern periphery of the
western ridging will delay the height rises into the area a bit,
bringing a brief shot of cold air Sunday. There will be enough
instability to kick off lake effect snow, but varying wind direction
and a pretty dry airmass will likely keep accumulations from the
lake effect minor. Still have some concerns for drizzle potential
during the break between the synoptic system and lake effect. Model
soundings continue to show a period of saturation not quite reaching
-10c. This could bring a brief window for some drizzle freezing
drizzle late Saturday night into early Sunday morning. This could be
a secondary concern; however, as wet roads from rain early in the
day may become slick anyway as temperatures drop below freezing.

Temperatures will continue their roller coaster ride, with early
week temperatures getting near the 40s again. Another cold shot will
arrive mid-week.

Long term (Monday night through Friday)
issued at 351 pm est Fri nov 17 2017
high impact weather potential...

wave train will continue through the extended period, as broad
ridging builds over the western u.S. And shortwaves move along the
baroclinic zone. Gusty winds will be likely again on Tuesday as the
first clipper pushes in, tightening the pressure gradient once
again. This will bring another round of cold air and lake effect
chances. Another clipper could arrive over the weekend. Details are
still a bit murky for thanksgiving as far as precip chances and

Aviation (for the 06z tafs through 06z Saturday night)
issued at 1236 am est Sat nov 18 2017
rain will become less widespread overnight from W to e, as an
initial and weak cold front crosses the area. A period of widespread
ifr CIGS is expected overnight into Saturday morning, with some
improvement to MVFR conditions during the day. Another round of rain
will impact apn and might graze the other TAF sites in the
afternoon. We will transition to some drizzle Sat evening, as a
secondary cold front prepares to deliver sharply cooler air.

Ongoing se-erly winds will swing to the NW and n, and become gusty
by Sat afternoon.

Issued at 351 pm est Fri nov 17 2017
gusty southeast to south winds with widespread small craft
advisory conditions continue through much of tonight. Winds may
temporarily decrease late tonight before increasing out of the
north Saturday as low pressure passes by to our south. Northwest
winds will then remain gusty through Sunday so have extended the
small craft advisories through that time. Still an outside chance
for a few gale force gusts Saturday afternoon and evening on lake

Apx watches warnings advisories
Mi... None.

Lh... Small craft advisory until 7 pm est Sunday for lhz345>349.

Lm... Small craft advisory until 7 pm est Sunday for lmz323-341-342-

Ls... Small craft advisory until 7 pm est Sunday for lsz321-322.

Update... Jz
near term... As
short term... Am
long term... Am
aviation... Smd
marine... As

Weather Reporting Stations
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Stations Dist Age Wind Air TempWater Temp WavesPressureDewPt
GTLM4 - Grand Traverse Light, MI 33 mi31 min SSW 5.1 G 9.9 39°F 1001 hPa

Wind History for Mackinaw City, MI
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Airport Reports
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AirportDistAgeWind ktVisibilitySky/WeatherTempDewPtHumidityPressure
Harbor Springs, Harbor Springs Airport, MI4 mi17 minNE 43.00 miFog/Mist34°F33°F99%1000.7 hPa
Pellston Regional Airport of Emmet County, MI15 mi17 minN 04.00 miFog/Mist35°F34°F96%1001.7 hPa
Charlevoix, Charlevoix Municipal Airport, MI17 mi16 minN 03.00 miFog/Mist37°F36°F100%1001.4 hPa

Wind History from MGN (wind in knots)
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